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Old Baldovin Accordion Factory

It was mentioned on the Source, we should create an article about it. But where the heck would we put it? Tjernobyl 19:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC) 

A piece of local musical history is the centre of attention at the DaVinci Centre for Friday night.
An accordion built nearly a century ago at the Old Baldovin Accordion Factory on Simpson Street may be on its way to the Canadian Museum of Civilization near Ottawa.
A representative from the museum was in the city Friday to begin examining the accordion and its history.
It's believed the instrument may be a rare piece of history representative of the first wave of Italian immigrants to the region.
  1. http://www.tbsource.com/Localnews/index.asp?cid=112730
  2. http://www.tbsource.com/pictures/view.asp?cid=112730&imageid=88569&nav=Local%20News&returnurl=/Localnews/index.asp?cid=112730

--Destructo 21:04, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Bandwiki To Do List

  • I just added a ton of headings to this page to organize it. Destructo 20:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Consider adding all new to do items with double-dash heading to organize this page. If everyone adds their text at the ends of sections, and new sections at the end of page, we can easily keep track of the to do's and also keep the discussions in a orderly timeline from oldest to newest. Destructo 20:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Thunder Bay Section

  • I'd like to see the Thunder Bay page filled out more and a basic history of the Thunder Bay music scene. I'd also like to see some scans of Chronicle Journal articles and links / copy-and-pastes from the Argus, the Source and any other mags that give Thunder bay exposure (exclaim?) - Destructo
  • I can write a program that archives news, if we wanna commit to making use of it. Tjernobyl 03:28, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
  • I think it would be awesome to archive thunder bay music news on this site similar to the argus rad kids article.Destructo 16:58, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Timezone

  • Change time zone to EST ... I actually wrote this at 11:06am Destructo 15:33, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Old Bandwiki Redirect

Band Categories

  • Consider creating a "prominent bands" list of bands that regularly played live and/or released a proper cd. Destructo 17:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Maybe a few catigory of bands? (Prominent Bands, Past Bands, New Bands)? The_George 14 October 2008
    • The following band-related categories exist. Feel free to suggest more, or how we can improve the ontology: Tjernobyl 20:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
   ** 00s Bands (27 members)
   ** 60s Bands (3 members)
   ** 70s Bands (7 members)
   ** 80s Bands (6 members)
   ** 90s Bands (11 members)
   ** Bands (167 members)
   ** Bands with horn players (1 member)
   ** Bands with keyboards (1 member)
   ** Black Metal Bands (3 members)
   ** Celtic Bands (1 member)
   ** Cover Bands (6 members)
   ** Doom Metal Bands (1 member)
   ** Grindcore Bands (3 members)
   ** Hip-Hop Groups (3 members)
   ** Industrial Bands (5 members)
   ** Jazz Bands (1 member)
   ** Metal Bands (8 members)
   ** Neoclassical Bands (1 member)
   ** Pop-Punk Bands (2 members)
   ** Punk Bands (8 members)

I'd like to see a category for "bands that have played more than 2 legitimate shows" Destructo 20:10, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Hard to do. The standard I've always used for being worthy of inclusion was "has produced a recording or played a show." If the band contained a really significant person and it was important to their development, I've counted that as notable as well. Other than the 150-odd bands listed on tbshows, we have very sparse data on how many shows have been played. We could do Bands that have played more than 10 shows, but then we can't prove that for even seminal bands like The Negatives. If we can come up with a good criteria, we could do it. Tjernobyl 20:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
    • We should make a page for criteria and/or category criteria to list some basic category rules and we can then get a better feel for how the categories can be best utilized.
  • Is there a way that we can organize the top categories better and more streamlined. It should fork out from 'Thunder Bay Bands' to 'list of genres' and 'list of dates active' and 'list of musicians' and 'list of instrumentation' (etc?). Hopefully, you would then fork out more from each of those sub categories. It would be also cool to be able to mix and mingle categories so you could, for example, search for "Grindcore bands that were active in the 90s that had a keyboard player and played at crocks with some guy named john doe who was the singer.' That shouldn't be that hard with proper categories? I should take a look at the mediawiki documentation and learn more about category sorting options. Destructo 20:51, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

- The first step in this is getting them all categorized; that provides the raw data. Once we have that, there's gotta be a way to search.

  • I've created a Notable Bands category, we can discuss over there which bands deserve to be there. Tjernobyl 21:45, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
    • I think simplifying the categories would be the best method. If we just have a couple of main categories -GENRE and -DATES ACTIVE.

We already have punk, metal and other assorted genres. We also have some dates active (post 1990, pre-1990) If we expand these into categories and subcategories, it seems it would make it easy to sort and people would be able to narrow down their search very easily. I also like the idea of having different categories based on "notoriety" (is there a better word for that?) so we can narrow down to the bands that have played a ton of shows and got more exposure than a band that was a one-person one-song demo from 1990. Destructo 19:34, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


Here's a way to do it for recording:

Here's a way to do it for live shows:

These categories should be cool -along with genres and decades active.

Destructo 00:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

  • See Categories for what I finally came up with ... I need help putting the bands into the categories .. is there a script that can help me? Destructo 02:53, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Category cleanups

* Add Category:People to all people pages (use Biographies)

  • * All known people should be categorized now Tjernobyl 05:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
  • * Perl makes everything easier. Just went through the Uncategorized Pages and added a pile more. People can now be considered to be completely categorized, with over 600 entries. Tjernobyl 19:27, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

* Add Category:Bands to all band pages (use More Bands)

  • * Done. Tjernobyl 19:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

* Add Category:Venue to all venue pages (use Venues)

  • * Done. Tjernobyl 19:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

* Cleanup uncategorized pages.

  • * Reduced them by 2/3. Tjernobyl 19:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Can you start categorizing the bands more specifically and with multiple cats like the hierarchy that i came up with? Maybe rooting out from People - Band - Venue - Bandwiki - News Articles or similar. --Destructo 01:57, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Backlinks and Related Links

We should implement backlinks and also related links. Related for Speedway: Compassion Dies, Jarek, Camden, Micro, Apollo etc. etc. "What Links Here" is cool but it would be nice to have that as a toolbar in the footer.--Destructo 17:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I liked the feature on the old wiki; it'd be good here too... Are there any MediaWiki extensions that can do it? -- Tjernobyl 20:40, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Templates & More Detailed Info

I think it would be cool to have info fields for each band like "Dates Active: " "Genres: " etc. Similar to Wikipedia band pages. Much more informative for the viewer. And we could then use this data to create things like charts that show the timelines for various genres of thunder bay bands. --Destructo 02:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

One of the backlink extensions needs templates to be useful, as well. I'd also recommend adding a "related bands" section as well. You can see how templates are put together at wikipedia, but the templates themselves are too transcluded for us to use directly --Tjernobyl 15:49, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

wiki vs bandwiki

I certainly like the second structure better. There's gotta be a way to fix that in localsettings.php.

* http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL is the manual page to make the change. If you need more access to the server, let me know ... htaccess might need to be altered if you use the recommended guide: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access .--Destructo 16:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I made the change in localsettings.php. The change to htaccess was already done (presumably by you!). I also changed the password for the server, you can contact me if you need the new one (tjernobyl only!). The change made to localsettings was: 

$wgArticlePath = "/wiki/$1";  # Virtual path (left part of first rewrite rule). MUST be DIFFERENT from the path above!
$wgUsePathInfo = true;
--Destructo 15:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Destructo's MP3 list

There are a couple bands I haven't heard of on http://baycore.net/mp3/download_mp3.php... Thus I create the Category:Work In Progress page Bands For Which Our Only Evidence Is MP3s

Case Insensitivity

Bands tend to be capitalized in some canonical way. However, especially in cases with band names that contain articles such as "and the", they're not always consistent. We can either create a standard way of doing this, or find a way to make MediaWiki case insensitive.

Article Prefix

I've created a lot of redirects between "$BANDNAME" and "The $BANDNAME"... It's not always clear whether "The" is part of the band name or not. Is there a way or an extension that can automatically redirect from one to the other? I could make some redirects manually, but a global thing would be the way to go.

Finished Items

Finished Bandwiki to-do items

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